What does it take to fall in love with a place that isn't even yours — and then dedicate your life to making sure everyone else loves it too? That's exactly what happened to journalist, historian, filmmaker, and storyteller Deb Goodrich. From covering crime courts in the Blue Ridge Mountains at age 21, to living inside a Topeka cemetery, to championing the forgotten legacy of America's first vice president of color, Deb has spent decades proving that Kansas history is anything but boring. And somehow, she made drinking water funny in the process.HighlightsDeb Goodrich was inspired to become a journalist by watching Lois Lane on Superman at age fourShe began writing for her local paper in Stuart, Virginia at age 15 and worked across radio, TV, newspaper, and magazineDeb became a history major at Washburn University after a political science professor told her that's what she was — she had no ideaShe lived as historian-in-residence inside a historic home at Topeka Cemetery, where she first learned about Charles CurtisCharles Curtis was Vice President of the United States under Herbert Hoover (1929–1933), enrolled in the Kaw tribe, and is the first person of color to serve as VP — a story most Kansans don't knowDeb is working on a book, From the Reservation to Washington, about Charles Curtis, as well as a screenplayShe's collaborated extensively with filmmaker Ken Spurgeon, including on Touched by Fire (Bleeding Kansas) and The Moccasin Speaks (currently on PBS)Her upcoming film Under the Painted Sky tells the story of the German Family Massacre in Western KansasShe serves as Garvey Texas Foundation Historian-in-Residence at the Fort Wallace Museum in OakleyDeb's next book idea: Killers I Have KnownKansas's biggest export, according to Deb, is talent — and that needs to changeGus introduces a segment called "Less Fun With Flags," analyzing the Kansas state flag against the five rules of good flag design from the North American Vexicological AssociationKansas scored 3.01 out of 10 (a D-minus), ranking 69th out of 72 US state and Canadian provincial flagsThe Wichita city flag scored 8.41 out of 10 in 2004, ranking 6th best among 150 American cities — proof Kansans can do betterChapters0:00 – Australia Pin Giveaway2:23 – Podcast Intro / Meet Deb Goodrich3:28 – Meet Deb Goodrich6:00 – Journalism Origins: Lois Lane7:35 – History Bug: Cemetery Lessons9:34 – The Charlie Curtis Story12:26 – Topeka Cemetery Adventures17:29 – Film Work With Ken Spurgeon21:11 – Fort Wallace and Many Hats26:52 – The Oakley / Annie Oakley Myth28:33 – How Deb Got to Kansas28:45 – Mayberry Roots29:29 – Topeka and Washburn30:19 – Media Ethics Wake-Up31:09 – Switching to History32:29 – Court Reporting Lessons35:21 – Journalism Meets Film37:10 – Kansas Pride Problem40:20 – Fort Wallace Plug42:24 – Post-Interview Wrap43:45 – Less Fun With Flags45:33 – The Five Rules of Good Flag Design47:02 – Kansas Flag Fails52:38 – Wichita Flag Wins55:10 – Redesign Ideas and OutroResourcesFrom the Reservation to Washington by Deb Goodrich (book on Charles Curtis) — available on AmazonThe Moccasin Speaks — documentary on the German Family Massacre, currently airing on PBSUnder the Painted Sky — upcoming film by Ken Spurgeon and Deb GoodrichTouched by Fire — film about Bleeding Kansas by Ken SpurgeonBloody Dawn by Tom Goodrich — book on the Lawrence MassacreFort Wallace Museum — Oakley, Kansas; 2025 theme: "From Wallace to the Little Big Horn" https://ftwallace.com/Learn more about the podcast at askakansan.com!This show is part of the ICT Podcast Network, for more information, visit ictpod.net